rock vs miller - Live Shoot

good the way they humiliate and use them but i expect more from van

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I give it a 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love seeing all you guys in the rubber hip boots! I think this is the first time I have seen any one in hip boots. Please make more videos with guys in hip boots.

can next video do some kinky breath contral bondage? i saw someslave before dress fullly ruuber and wear full closed rubber breath hood contact with rubber breath bag for slavery training, if breath not good will be whip

Oh, I so love these horny guys in black rubber waders!

Christian is a GOD. I want to see him as a MASTER over slaves, especially wearing rubber.

I have subscribed to your site once again mainly to follow the education of Christian Wilde. This guy is phenomenal, and the person behind the porn star seems very interesting too. The problem now is that he seems to have reached his limit as a dom. He is still shy, hesitant, with a soft voice,etc. I remember Van D once saying that to become a good dom you have to experience being a good sub first. So why don't you show us a few scenes with Christian being given the treatment he would like to give others? I would love to see him, on Bound God or Naked Kombat, being defeated, humiliated and fucked.

Where can I buy this greatfull butt-plug (egg-form in metal with that round disc) ? The assplay, cbt and tt-scene are SOOO HOT !!!

Christian is a total turn on!

Such a hot shoot. I loved Christian in the Gas Mask!

seems to be a repeat ...& was oput of the country to view the last live shoot :(!

Hot but the action was way too similar to "Downsizing" which also featured Van, Rock and Miller. It almost felt like a repeat performed live.

This one was great! - Chad Rock and Jason Miller are still my favorite models here on this site. - The caning and flogging scenes there very hot, also he fucking and how both subs there lying down with open moths on the floor to receive Christians load - Absolut Great! - I would love to see a part III after 'downsizing' and this one....

Before I begin I am Mulengro on recon. I want you to know more about me. Before I began playing more monogamous I was a paid dom. That's right I am a professional dom who's time is worth 350 to 500 an hour. In those days I had to roleplay many "scenes" that didn't normally appeal to me as a "player". Slave training being on the top of that didn't appeal to me list. I am also one of the most extreme players on recon! I will drop hang you by the neck from what ever I can find and will take my scenes to extremes that make many pass out. You passing out is my kink! I can guarantee that exceptionally few play to my level. As a slave training video I found this to be great. I loved the electro scenes, I especially liked the garden hose used with the clothes pins. Now I use garden hoses but only in hardcore waterboarding. I really liked this one. Now you guys dumping on this video need to know is that these guys are not players! They're porn actors trying to make a good product for your entertainment. They are not going to have the experience in leather play that you guys are demanding. Christian is a porn actor and he's learning a new field of entertainment for you guys. Is he ever going to make a good leather dom, most likely not. It's not in his nature. But is he going to make a good porn dom, yes. He'll never take something too far hurting anyone. And he's got the dick of a dinosaur! As for Van in a video I always watch those. He's just a natural dom. He's got such a natural piss you off attitude when he performs it's awesome! I love a good prick! He is a real dom! That's the difference! And I would kill to learn ropework from him! I did not see any standing around waiting to be told what to do. Christians earlier video use of a flogger sucked! But this one he had good pop and snap! He is improving for you! He knew how to use the electro box. He he kept it moving as much as he could! I think some get more into comment wars than the videos. If it weren't for all the negative comments on this one I would not have watched it. I'm actually glad I did I really liked it for the entertainment purposes it was supposed to fill. It did it's job very nicely. And the sub with the shaved head? Fuck I'd pay money to play with him! I love the way you whimper! Come to the Mulengro! Let me show you the dark side!

Still sticking with my fair rating, but I did forget to say that I agree totally that Christian has a gorgeous smile....I could kiss those lips all night :=)

Tkid786, you're right. I'm mainly here to moderate the comments, keeping it from looking like the wild wild west. We do have posting guidelines but not everyone sees it. I do most of the Q&A in the BG forum. I'll post two new discussions in a few days, one about Live Shows and one about the purpose the Comment Section. Thank you, Van

loved the double chastity. Really hot. Agree that the live shot thing is not too interesting, prefer a long and planned shot. Prefer too that the bottoms keep their chastity on for the whole scene.

I've never been a fan of the live shoots. I just don't care for the way they folow. That being said this live shoot was one of the worst. While the models were very good and very hot, the scene was very slow. There are some really hot scenes done in devine bitchs...check them out for some ideas...I have to say Van, you are a very talented producer, but the members truly deserve some positive interaction with you. It seems when you comment its always negative. It would be great if you gave us some insite into how you might incorporate the feedback we provide.

Fantastic. Great to see both subs shaved so as to have way less hair/fur that the doms. The vibrator and electric were both super,also the clips with water was great. Great cum shot from Christian! Would liked to have seen both subs shoot on each other and lick it up at the end. A great job done by all - Thank you.

This was really good! Chad suffers so beautifully and without any pretense: He's nervous, he hurts - he's honest. Everybody gets a 5-star rating (including you, Van!). Thanks for a great show!

after last weeks great session i should have expected a let down - but then im not into gas masks, waders, and pins - cant please everyone i kno - keep trying - hope 2 c more like last weeks session

Christian is becomming a great master with a real sense of sadism which makes him smile when he is working on a slave. I would like to see Christian as a dom with his own slave/s in a session which he has designed.

A valuable lesson in this video: All you need to immobilize a man totally is a head stock. The rest of him is helpless. Van, I'd love to see you apply your amazing skills to ball bondage--because once you have a man by the balls, he's yours to do with as you will.

Jason is the reason, why I still watched this video. The live shoot is not entertaining for me at all, and I dread the prospect of another one in the future. I also agree with the others that Van should stay behind the camera, since he is distraction from all the actions that are going on. Christian should not even be here. And if there is a "round three for the future?" Please NO, especially if Van and Christian are going to be in it.I look forward to the next update, and I am glad that it will not be a "live shoot" (I hope?).

The comments have been more interesting than the video. This video just did not do anything. I think everyone in the video has good points but this video just did not flow at all and seemed very chopped up heading no where. Hopefully next week will be back to keeping our interest.

Not your best effort. It may be the whole concept of a live shoot... Christian is a beautiful man, absolutely love his dick but by his own admission being dominant is not his nature. Have to agree with previous posts that Van is a great director and a distraction as a participant. I look forward to more of the great work you guys have done in the past.

nice Christian ... I like him ... Christian flog and fuck me !!!

This one just didnt do anything for me. Sorry

I appreciate it is difficult to please everyone all of the time. For me this was that occasion. I'm afraid I found it far too long and towards the end I toyed with the idea of giving up watching but, I persisted. I wish I hadn't bothered. The guys in it were great although having now seen Christian in 3, if not 4 vids I'm afraid that as a Dom he just doesn't do it for me. He is great eye candy but all I ever see is him being told what to do - that's not a Dom in my book! I fail to see why the Director still casts him in that role! Clearly I am missing something here! Never mind, I'm sure next weeks' show will please me so long as I don't see a "fake Dom" in it!

well done; no product will match everyone's expectations but this one met mine

Actually I thought this was a very good live shoot. The edited version cut much of the long delays with reading the members' comments and suggestions. Christian seems like one of the nicest guys around and has one of the cutest smiles anywhere ... not to mention his fantastic bubble butt! Chad is really HOT with his compact, muscular physique and bubble butt to match Christians'. His pain tolerance is not nearly the level of Jasons' but I enjoy seeing musclemen reach their limits. Jason has a great smile and is good at taking pain. In addition to being an excellent producer/director, Van is a master with the double floggers. This is one of the parts I look for when he appears in the shows. I imagine he has other showy demonstrations he can use in other shows. There is a major difference between a live production and a segmented production. The director in a live production needs to help keep the show moving with his expertise, while in a closed production he can give instructions off camera and cut to finished shots after the ropes, straps or whatever is in place. In the live show he's like the magician's assistant who has to be on scene all the time. I just wish Van would get completely naked for some of these scenes! Of course I'd like to see a "slaves" rebellion sometime.

Don't think the live shoots are as sexy as the filmed. They have no shape to them, no narrative, and the guys often seem like they just stand around, waiting for something to happen. Whenever there's a live shoot, I avoid.

Not really a favorite for me; I like it when you guys move around more and get into it. It was a bit too formula driven I think. But I'll give you guys a 3 (fair) because Jason really does have some sexy nuts!! Next time, though, lets get both guys fucked by a live dick. Last comment: I'm almost at the point of just asking you guys to fake it with the intensity....a guy getting fucked who doesn't move or make noise might as well be a blowup doll....gimme something ok? Thanks; appreciate the work.

look guys this is a lifestyle choice for most of us, to see it integreted into our life and to see it so instuctional is usefull to some and inspiring to others, and yes to some boring, this is very ground breaking stuff. And often is met with adverse attitudes by those of us who have been around alot. Stick with it Van your doing a great job.

Hope next week is better... The live shows are fun, but there were too many people in this one. Agree that Van is a little unprofessional in comment sections (I was a member of sexandsubmission and trainingofo and they gave a much better customer experience).

How can BG turn out a more boring vid with 4 hot men after the last 2 hothothot vids: "The Submission of Cameron Adams" and "The Pipe Room"? Extremely disappointing. Here's hoping for next Thursday.

Van, if I didn't care or respect you, I wouldn't bother. You can either choose to listen to constructive comment or not. It has nothing to do with disrespecting your performers' talent, which is typically excellent. I won't engage in a "back and forth" dialogue either. Just expressing an opinion which apparently fell on deaf ears.

Great video; very hot. Love Jason and Chad. Everyone was great. Oh, and I love Christian's smile. Keep up the good work.

FYI, the deleted message was about the two subs. It wasn't about me. Sure, I can take a little bashing but when it comes to the models, I am very protective of them. They work so hard for your enjoyment. Please give the models some respect. As for the other comments, I am not here to argue or to get into a back and forth situation. I'll just let the facts speak for themselves. Sincere, Van

boring/too much Van comments

Thank you Sir Van! I loved the scene and these slave boys make my cock hard. Jason and Chad are really my favorite bottoms. Especially when Chads bubble butt is whipped and fucked. Can't say enough about Jason's balls! I love the dungeon scenes. Would have liked a little golden shower at the end.

Glad that I canceled after last week. This site is only meant for people that worship at the alter of Van Darkholme and the disrespect that is shown to his customers on this comment section is unprofessional. I guess that the customer is not always right.

Hunter39172, okay let's be adult about this. Please read the Posting Guidelines before you post. Thanks, Van

I love all the live shows but this one even more because of the dubble flogging, thanks mr. Van. It was really a great show.

Thank You very much for this Live Shoot!!! FUCKING HOT!!!